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Title of this page[edit suos]

I've been a bit impulsive and created this page following this brief discussion. Comment here if you want to discuss moving this to a different page title. - dcljr (talk)‎ 03:39, 22 Juun 2016 (EST)

This page added to {{General discussion}}, and therefore to Wikipidia:Komiuniti puotal. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 17:04, 23 Juun 2016 (EST)

Namespace prefixes[edit suos]

I'm creating a bunch of "threads" here that should probably eventually be split off to dedicated project pages (e.g., "guideline" or "policy" pages) once some degree of initial consensus is reached about them.

First off, namespaces. Here are the current namespace prefixes actually in use on this wiki (meaning, this is what you have to use when forming a [[wikilink]] to any page outside of the main ["article"] namespace). Also listed are the labels used for the "page tab" (leftmost tab shown at the top of every page [when using the Vector skin]) for pages in each namespace.

Namespace prefixes and page-tab labels (bold items have not been translated)
Index Canonical (en) prefix Local (jam) prefix Label (jam) for page tab Notes
−2 Media Media "virtual" namespace enabling direct linking to media files; no associated talk-page namespace, so a Project page can be used to discuss any problems associated with this namesapce; no page tab label required
−1 Special Special Peshal piej "virtual" namespace for various automatically generated pages; no associated talk-page namespace, so one or more Project pages may be created to serve this purpose
0 Piej no prefix required to link to this namespace, typically referred to as the "main" (or "article") namespace
1 Talk Talk Diskoshan note that agreement between the prefix and tab label for talk pages is not necessarily required, as many English Wikimedia wikis use "Talk" for the prefix but use "Discussion" for the tab label
2 User User Yuuza piej
3 User talk User talk Diskoshan
4 Project
Wikipidia Prajek piej no jam equivalent is needed for the canonical prefix "Project"; the prefix "Wikipidia" is sufficient
5 Project talk
Wikipedia talk
Wikipidia diskoshan Diskoshan while the prefix and tabs don't necessarily need to match, all the prefixes for talk namespaces should match each other
6 File
File Fail no jam equivalent is needed for the canonical alternative prefix "Image"
7 File talk
Image talk
File talk Diskoshan
8 MediaWiki MediaWiki Mechiz "MediaWiki" prefix probably doesn't need translation
9 MediaWiki talk MediaWiki talk Diskoshan
10 Template Template Templit
11 Template talk Template talk Diskoshan
12 Help Help Elp piej
13 Help talk Help talk Diskoshan
14 Category Category Kiatigari
15 Category talk Category talk Diskoshan
100 Portal Puotal Puotal custom namespace
101 Portal talk Puotal diskoshan Diskoshan custom namespace
828 Module Module Module custom namespace used by the Scribunto extension
829 Module talk Module talk Diskoshan custom namespace used by the Scribunto extension
2300 Gadget Gadget Gadget custom namespace used by the Gadgets extension
2301 Gadget talk Gadget talk Diskoshan custom namespace used by the Gadgets extension
2302 Gadget definition Gadget definition Gadget definition custom namespace used by the Gadgets extension
2303 Gadget definition talk Gadget definition talk Diskoshan custom namespace used by the Gadgets extension
2600 Topic Topic Topic custom namespace used by the Flow extension

Note that the tab labels are linked to TranslateWiki, where the "default" values are stored (in the cases where I could find them). They can be overridden on this (or any other) wiki by creating appropriate local "MediaWiki:" pages, but "permanent" changes should be made at TranslateWiki. This allows all users who choose 'jam' as their language (in their user preferences) on any Wikimedia wiki (actually, any MediaWiki wiki) to see these labels, regardless of the local language of the wiki itself (e.g., a Jamaican Patois user of the Sanskrit Wikipedia will see these labels, as will a Jamaican Patois user of the Estonian Wikiquote, etc.).

The prefix names are set (and changed) by MediaWiki developers. Changes can be requested by submitting Phabricator tasks (or by asking at TranslateWiki:Support). Even when local prefixes differ from the canonical ones, the canonical (English) prefixes can still be used for namespaces 1–15. (This is not true for the custom namespaces 100 and 101 [not sure about 828 and higher], although English "aliases" can be created that would allow "Portal:" and "Portal talk:" to be used in addition to the local versions, if desired. In fact, multiple such aliases can be created to allow things like "WP:" in place of "Wikipidia:".) - dcljr (talk)‎ 16:24, 22 Juun 2016 (EST)

I leave the general decision in the hands of native speakers, though I'd like to see us moving in the direction of Patois names rather than English names. I would like to establish some namespace aliases (especially WP: and WT:); does that have to go to phabricator? (If so, we probably need to get "community consensus" here for that first.) StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 14:44, 28 Juun 2016 (EST)
Sorry for the late reply: Yes, things like "WP:" and "WT:" presumably require a Phabricator task, as they seem to be specified in InitialiseSettings.php, a (very large) text file maintained by MediaWiki developers (search for "wgNamespaceAliases" in that file). - dcljr (talk)‎ 05:49, 31 Julai 2016 (EST)

Root category[edit suos]

The "root" category (the very top or bottom of the category structure, depending on how you look at it) is currently called Category:!Main category, using a "default" name chosen by the steward who imported the pages from the Incubator. What do we want to call this category? Please note that this will contain subcategories related to both the content of the wiki (encyclopedia articles) and various aspects of the wiki itself (guidelines, policies, maintenance categories, etc. — see the next section). So the name should be chosen with that in mind. - dcljr (talk)‎ 03:39, 22 Juun 2016 (EST)

I see that Category:Mien Piej has started to be used as a kind of root category, but that name should probably be restricted (eventually, anyway) to stuff directly related to the actual Mien Piej of the wiki. - dcljr (talk)‎
I tend to use categories for maintenance more than navigation, myself. I think part of the answer to this question is whether we are creating categories for convenience of maintenance or convenience of navigation. And the answer to that might be different depending on what kind of page we're talking about.
I'm inclined to think there should be a "community" category that includes pages like "Community Portal" and "Village Square". I also agree that eventually the "Main Page" category should be limited to the main page and its templates. It can be a subcategory of something else, like the "community" category. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 14:52, 28 Juun 2016 (EST)

Project category[edit suos]

For the purposes of categorization, there is a major conceptual split between two types of pages on a Wikipedia:

  1. pages in the main namespace(*) constitute the wiki's "subject-matter content" (encyclopedia articles)
  2. pages outside of the main namespace tend to refer to different aspects of the wiki itself: users, wiki-maintainence, templates, help pages, policy/guidelines, etc. (for convenience, I'm using "project" to refer to all such pages, not just those in the "Project:" namespace)
(*) OK, technically the content of a wiki is determined by its "content namespaces", which may be more than just the main namespace, but on this wiki it's just the main namespace.

As a result, there are four basic approaches as to what is put in the root category:

  1. Root contains two major subcategories reflecting the two types of pages.
  2. Root contains one major subcategory to serve as the "content root" and multiple subcategories for different types of project-related pages.
  3. Root contains one major subcategory to serve as the "project root" and multiple subcategories for different types of content pages.
  4. Root contains multiple subcategories for both content and project-related pages.

Opinions about which approach we should take? I guess it depends to some extent on whether we can come up with (sub-) category names that are sufficiently clear as to what they contain… - dcljr (talk)‎ 03:39, 22 Juun 2016 (EST)

Other category issues[edit suos]

Here are some problems I've found with the existing categories:


Obviously, English names should be translated into the local language. Here are two that haven't been done yet. Note that changes like this require "manual" recategorizing of all the pages in the "source" category into the "target" category. (Category redirects "don't work" – see next item.)


The "#REDIRECT" mechanism doesn't work for categories the way it does for templates (i.e., the two names don't become equivalent). Pages still appear in the "source" category and not the "target" category. For this reason, category redirects should probably be avoided as much as possible. (I would recommend deleting the three "source" categories listed above. Although some wikis adopt a different template-based solution — see, e.g., en:Wikipedia:Categories for discussion#Redirecting categories.)

They are still sometimes useful for navigation, including through Cat-A-Lot. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 14:53, 28 Juun 2016 (EST)

First two should be noncontroversial, but I suppose the third is debatable. I say rename all as indicated.


Similar to move of Category:Vijual aats to Category:Vijual aat, as has already been done.


Probably should avoid use of colons in category names. (Note: This change should only require editing Template:Nesiseri aatikl.)

Some wikis use "Wikipedia:" category names for categories concerning project infrastructure. I'm ok with that. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 14:55, 28 Juun 2016 (EST)

I'm sure there are other spelling issues in the existing categories, but I can't find them since I'm not familiar with Jamaican Patois.

Note that many similar problems exist among "wanted" categories (categories that are linked to but haven't actually been created yet). For the most part, I'm going to let others deal with those issues. Notice, BTW, that only 16 of these "redlink" categories are linked to from multiple articles; the remaining 92 are only linked to from one article (almost always the article with the same name as the category). - dcljr (talk)‎ 16:07, 22 Juun 2016 (EST)

User language categories[edit suos]

Similarly, I think we need to have Babel categories turned on. (This requires a phabricator, as I recall.) It would be very helpful to know who here (besides the incomparable Yocahuna) is expert enough to help the rest of us with language issues. In this light, maybe we should fix a definition of jam-5 as "expert at the Cassidy/UWI orthography system". StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 17:10, 23 Juun 2016 (EST)

Yes, apparently Phabricator is required to "turn on" Babel categories (see "wmgBabelCategoryNames" — and other instances of "Babel" — in InitialiseSettings.php). FWIW, I have no problem with either of your suggestions here. - dcljr (talk)‎ 06:14, 31 Julai 2016 (EST)

Compact Language Links enabled in this wiki today[edit suos]

This message was copied from Talk:Mien Piej. We are trying to establish this page as the "village pump" or "Café" or "Bistro" page of this wiki. We request mass mailers to use this page. Thank you. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 14:29, 28 Juun 2016 (EST)

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Compact Language Links has been available as a beta-feature on all Wikimedia wikis since 2014. With compact language links enabled, users are shown a much shorter list of languages on the interlanguage link section of an article (see image). Based on several factors, this shorter list of languages is expected to be more relevant for them and valuable for finding similar content in a language known to them. More information about compact language links can be found in the documentation.

From today onwards, compact language links has been enabled as the default listing of interlanguage links on this wiki. However, using the button at the bottom, you will be able to see a longer list of all the languages the article has been written in. The setting for this compact list can be changed by using the checkbox under User Preferences -> Appearance -> Languages

The compact language links feature has been tested extensively by the Wikimedia Language team, which developed it. However, in case there are any problems or other feedback please let us know on the project talk page. It is to be noted that on some wikis the presence of an existing older gadget that was used for a similar purpose may cause an interference for compact language list. We would like to bring this to the attention of the admins of this wiki. Full details are on this phabricator ticket (in English).

This message could only be written in English. We will really appreciate if this message can be translated for other users of this wiki. Thank you. On behalf of the Wikimedia Language team: --Runa Bhattacharjee (WMF) (talk)‎ 02:07, 24 Juun 2016 (EST)

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Following two items were manually copied. Still working on updating mailing lists. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 12:16, 5 Julai 2016 (EST)

Editing News #2—2016[edit suos]

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Open call for Project Grants[edit suos]

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Please help translate to your language:

Greetings! The Project Grants program is accepting proposals from July 1st to August 2nd to fund new tools, research, offline outreach (including editathon series, workshops, etc), online organizing (including contests), and other experiments that enhance the work of Wikimedia volunteers.
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Katxis: Administrator status up for renewal[edit suos]

Administrators here must have their rights renewed periodically. Katxis's rights are currently up for expiration or renewal. Please see Wikipidia:Vuotin piej#Adminischrieta. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 10:20, 9 Aagos 2016 (EST)

Closed as successful (6 month renewal). See link above. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 08:19, 19 Aagos 2016 (EST)

Wha mek unu spel di piipl niem so?[edit suos]

Ok, so trying to get my head around why "dis ya langgwij spel so". I have some questions

  • place and people's names - why are some translated into "Jumeikan" whilst others remain in standard English. Maakos Mozaya Giaavi an Luwiiz Benit - uu niem so?
  • also, why do some articles retain the grammar and syntax of standard English. As someone who is very familiar with spoken Patwah, this makes it very difficult to read.

Eartha78 (talk)‎ 08:06, 19 Aagos 2016 (EST)

Thanks for your interest. The writing system used by the various editors is based on Cassidy orthography which is the closest we have to an official system of writing Patwa. Names are therefore rendered to reproduce the actual sounds. We have not got around to translate them all yet. Some translations of articles are better than others, reflecting the relative skill and experience of the translator. Would you like to help? Please jump in. --Yocahuna (talk)‎ 05:48, 20 Aagos 2016 (EST)
Ok, but surely the article name should be Marcus Garvey rather than Maakos Giaavi, with the Patwah spelling in the lede of the article? Or at least a redirect from Marcus Garvey. Johann Sebastian Bach haf im niem spel koreck, whaappen tu The Right Honorable Marcus Moziah Garvey? I've been trying to read more of Carolyn Cooper's articles wi riit inna 'Prapa-Prapa' - she keeps the original spelling of proper nouns and titles.
Once I get to grips with the Cassidy writing system I'd be happy to contribute. Can you recommend any online resources for familiarising myself with the spelling? Or example of articles that you deem good quality in both syntax and vocalbulary. I'd like to avoid writing in Jamaican English with Patwah spelling. Thanks! Eartha78 (talk)‎ 12:23, 20 Aagos 2016 (EST)
A good place to start is --Yocahuna (talk)‎ 06:17, 22 Aagos 2016 (EST)
And, if you haven't seen it yet, Help:Jumiekan Patwa spelling policy. - dcljr (talk)‎ 22:20, 22 Aagos 2016 (EST)
But you're also right that we need a redirect, and that the proper spelling needs to appear in the lede. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 09:04, 23 Aagos 2016 (EST)
Done. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 09:08, 23 Aagos 2016 (EST)

New notification when a page is connected to Wikidata[edit suos]

Hello all,

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You may know that Wikidata provides a centralized system for all the interwikilinks. When a new page is created, it should be connected to the corresponding Wikidata item, by modifying this Wikidata item. With this new notification, editors creating pages will be informed when another editor connects this page to Wikidata.

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This feature will be deployed on May 30th on all the Wikipedias, excepting English, French and German. This feature will be disable by default for existing editors, and enabled by default for new editors.

This is the first step of the deployments, the Wikipedias and other Wikimedia projects will follow in the next months.

If you have any question, suggestion, please let me know by pinging me. You can also follow and leave a comment on the Phabricator ticket.

Thanks go to Matěj Suchánek who developed this feature!

Thank you! Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk)

m:Requests for comment/Global centralnotice for the blockade of the Turkish government[edit suos]

Hi, you are invited to participate in the discussion on the proposal to make a banner through m: centralnotice to inform more people around the world about what the Turkish government has done about Wikipedia, ie all the language versions of Wikipedia are You are obscured, so in Turkey it is impossible to view the * site. To hope that the Turkish government will remove the block, it is necessary to raise awareness of this fact around the world because it is important to succeed in this mission because Wikipedia can not be seen in Turkey. With this message also for those interested, I invite him to sign the Wikimedian appeal.

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Wikidata changes now also appear in enhanced recent changes[edit suos]

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Starting from today, you will be able to display Wikidata changes in both modes of the recent changes and the watchlist.

Read and translate the full message

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