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Welkom tu Wikipidia, di frii insaiklopidia we enibadi kiah edit.
Tengki fi tek paat ina dis prajek. Ef yu gat eni dout, yu kiah ax bouti ina di Komiuniti puotal.

Yu no chat Jumiekan? - Don't speak Jamaican?

Dis a yu diskoshan piej, we yu kiah risiiv mechiz frah ada wikipidian. A di hen a di mechiz yu fi sain bai rait ~~~~. Memba se aatikl no fi sain.

--Katxis (talk)‎ 03:47, 17 Mie 2016 (EST)

Home time zone of this wiki: America/Jamaica -0500 EST (all year long—no DST)

Thank you so much for your help. There are some things I still do not control in Wikipedia and you help a lot in here. --Katxis (talk)‎ 09:31, 18 Mie 2016 (EST)

My pleasure. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 09:31, 18 Mie 2016 (EST)

Coordinates template[change up di source]

Thanks for fixing this. I would add the transcribed 'Kwaadinet' but not sure how and don't want to mess up the template. There are a number of articles to which this template needs to be applied. --Yocahuna (talk)‎ 21:17, 19 Mie 2016 (EST)

I can put in 'Kwaadinet.' I'll eventually need to write some instructions somewhere, which I'll depend on you to transcribe. But that's for later. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 21:37, 19 Mie 2016 (EST)

Your answer[change up di source]

I'd recommend to use the original name for Star Wars article, or at least the redirect from English name. It doesn't look good, IMO, when the title is translated while it wasn't originally used. If the article is translated (what I really hope to see in close future), you can change the link, but only the bolded words: [[:jam:Star Wars|Star Wars]] (I want it appear only the original language names, eventually English when it doesn't exist). -XQV- (talk)‎ 11:13, 23 Mie 2016 (EST)

Well, I imagine there would be a redirect, so if you want to leave it be, leave it be. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 11:15, 23 Mie 2016 (EST)

Administrators[change up di source]

I don't know very well how it works, but as we are so few people, I thought that just with one will be enough. however, I think that your idea may be good as well. I don't want people to believe I am here doing whatever I want. Could you please present your petition for becoming an administrator? You are already doing a lot of that job in here. Thanks for your help and your pieces of advice. --Katxis (talk)‎ 02:30, 30 Mie 2016 (EST)

thank you for the offer. I may do that. But it will be a problem if I do this immediately and you support me right after you just told the other fellow no. So consider:
  • if you're not sure about the other guy, let him try it. Stewards will only approve for 90 days, so if he doesn't work out it wasn't a long experiment, and if it does, great.
  • if you're sure it shouldn't be him, let this request time out as a "no". Then we'll archive the request, wait a month, then someone else (besides the two of us) should nominate me. And do it here, not on Meta. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 11:30, 30 Mie 2016 (EST)

Talk link in signatures[change up di source]

Could you please remove the space before the word "talk" on the page MediaWiki:Signature? Not sure how that happened… - dcljr (talk)‎ 06:57, 3 Juun 2016 (EST)

I'm a sysop elsewhere, but not here. The only user here who is an administrator (so far) is @User:Katxis. So I am pinging him to get involved. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 08:47, 3 Juun 2016 (EST)
And Katxis, while you're at it, it should probably say "diskoshan", not "talk", anyway. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 08:56, 3 Juun 2016 (EST)
Oops, I even knew that (that you're not an admin here)… I don't know what I was thinking. Since my original post, I've realized that this needs to be changed at TranslateWiki. Which I actually have a translator account on… Which means (wait for it…) I was able to fix the problem myself! :) Sigh… Unfortunately, Katxis seems to have forgotten about TranslateWiki, as well, because K. made the change I originally requested! Oh, well… there is a delay before changes at TranslateWiki show up on local wikis, so changing the local page is still useful until we determine that it's no longer necessary. StevenJ81 suggested "diskoshan", so that's what I used at TranslateWiki, but I'm wondering if "taak" wouldn't be better, since that seems to be what's used in the upper-right personal toolbar [or whatever it's called: "Username Talkpage Preferences Watchlist…"] for users who choose "jam - Patois" as their language preference. (I've asked Yocahuna to weigh in on this, as a native speaker.) - dcljr (talk)‎ 23:06, 3 Juun 2016 (EST)
For the record, I've removed the extraneous space on all the talk pages that had them — so the original issue I started this thread with has been fixed. As for the "diskoshan" vs. "taak" issue, please see (and comment at) MediaWiki talk:Signature. - dcljr (talk)‎ 20:15, 16 Juun 2016 (EST)

Good articles[change up di source]

We don't have enough people working here so as to be very specific. As you can see, we don't have a lot of featured articles and Yocahuna and I believe it is better to keep the Wikipedia simple. Few featured articles but with good quality. We are now trying to finish the necessary articles and then we will try to expand them. The result is that during this process we have a lot of stubs, but little by little we will add more information in each one of them so now the Wikipedia is growing in the number of articles, later will do it in their quality. Maybe by then the "good articles" category will be of much use than now. Let's see in the future. --Katxis (talk)‎ 14:12, 28 Julai 2016 (EST)

Thanks for reminding me :) --Katxis (talk)‎ 09:43, 10 Febiweri 2017 (EST)

@StevenJ81: Hi! May I call you Steven, as suggested by your username? As stated at Wikimedia Incubator by you, I'm here to convince you. If it works, then it works, if it doesn't, I'm doomed.

I'll start by saying that, even though I may not be the most reliable person, I'm always responsible and always holding up to my responsibilities. I may not be advanced at using many tools, but I have basic knowledge, and as time goes by, I'll catch on. I've even gone overboard and did admin stuff at the Norfuk/Pitkern Wikipedia, where I've reverted vandalism, however I'm not an admin. As one of the very few active users here and on the Norfuk/Pitkern Wikipedia, my main and only goal is to grow the project. Also, for me being a Jamaican and seeing my own language as a project of Wikipedia is really a big deal for me. I've also tried as an admin at Wikivoyage; the results were good, and they encouraged me to keep on the right track as I'm going on good—try about a few months or so. I always try to improve Jamaican articles. No matter how much of a stub it might be, I take it to even a valuable article. Not only that, but I try my best to not let vandals get in my way as I go about doing so. You can even see my edits at the simple English Wikipedia. I've done much reverts of vandalism, and also started getting involved with the project. Despite the block at English Wikipedia, I haven't stop editing. I continue, and will always continue. My editing journey at the Wikimedia projects have a long way to go. Thanks for your time, reading this -- Jay Jay Marcus Keize13 (talk)‎

Doomed? I hope not, because the most you will get out of me by the time the conversation is done is that I will promote you from no way to not yet. More than that is impossible for now.
@Jay Jay Marcus Keize13: For starters, I'd like to understand why you were using multiple accounts. You'll need to explain to me why, what the consequences were, and why you understand why you can't do that. If you don't wish to do that publicly on-wiki, feel free to use the link to email me.
Beyond that, you just have not been around long enough to be granted administrator tools. Not only have you certainly not been around this project long enough, but you really haven't been around any/all WMF projects long enough. Even on fairly small, lightly edited projects like this one, people want to see that there is a history of responsible contributions to the wiki. And while editing content is the main thing people want to see, they wouldn't mind seeing that you are taking a responsible role in looking to clean up problems, if problems exist.
So let's look at a few things:
  • Look at the edit I made to your user page. (OK, normally I shouldn't edit your user page. It's yours. But I want to make a point.) If you are going to make edits to pages that affect the layout of page, people would like to see that you know how to do so responsibly. In this case, an enormous picture file that bleeds off the edge of any reasonably rendered page looks sloppy and incompetent. There are a bunch of ways to fix this, and the one I chose was not even necessarily the best. But it at least sizes the picture so that it all appears, at least on a computer. Why would someone want to trust you with admin tools if you can't even do that?
  • Consider the three (or maybe four) main things that administrators do on wikis that regular (autoconfirmed) editors cannot do. Of the three (or maybe four), only one—page deletion—is reasonably common when the wiki does not have trouble afoot. At that, though, you can always mark a candidate for quick deletion with {{Delete}}, and a steward or global sysop will clean it up soon enough. (And if they don't, you can nudge them at m:SRM.)
  • When there is trouble on the wiki, you start bringing some other items into play, like blocking users or revision deletion (in case of vandalism) or page protection (in case of vandalism or edit warring). But both the blocked users list and the protected pages list on this wiki are very short. So there's not much evidence of problems needing administrator attention here, anyway.
So here's what I recommend. Contribute here. Fix and improve pages. If you see something that looks like vandalism, revert it (using undo) or mark it for deletion. (Don't go creating trouble that doesn't exist, and remember that just because you would do something a certain way doesn't mean that another way can't be legitimate.) If you have been here six months, contributing regularly, and have seen more than one or two times where the admin tools would be helpful, then feel free to ask at that point. In the meantime, "rights" here mean "responsibilities", not "privileges". So don't worry about whether or not you have them. Just contribute. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 11:38, 25 Mie 2018 (EST)
@StevenJ81: pertaining to the block at English Wikipedia, it was because of sock puppetry. As a new user at the time, I had no idea that using multiple accounts were against the rules.
I would love the administrator tools, not here but at the Norfuk/Pitkern Wikipedia. Even though I'm not a native speaker, I have basic to intermediate knowledge of the language, and being one of the small amout of active users, I work very hard. You can see my contributions there. I do a lot of reverting vandalism there, as quite a few occur. I have created a few articles there too, I've expanded some, I've translated articles from English to Norfuk. I've done so much. The last admin was Pall Mall, and he/she retired long time ago. I've done the task of reviewing new pages, and see if they are fit for the wiki. Though I've joined almost a month now, I've got so accostomed and comfortable with the project, that I spend nights and days trying to find if there are vandals, trying to edit and expand. This tool would mean so much to me at the Norfuk/Pitkern Wikipedia. Even if it's temporary, I'd love that. With all my heart, I wish to see the wiki prosper. It takes more time when I have no tools. Please. Jay Jay Marcus Keize13 (talk)‎
@Jay Jay Marcus Keize13: OK. I looked over there. I think you're being a responsible citizen there so far. But you've still been present there only a little over three weeks. You have over 250 edits there (but fewer than 500). By general standards, that is extremely new to give someone administrator tools.
What's more, I see exactly one page deletion over there since you joined (not counting one resulting from a user name change). You may well have been the one to tag that page. But there just isn't a whole lot of need for it. And if there have been users blocked for vandalism there, global sysops or stewards have handled them as global locks, so again little has been needed locally. Again, this is hardly evidence to support a need to give you the tools when you are still relatively inexperienced here.
The last thing I want to do is discourage your enthusiasm for contributing to these projects. Small projects really need contributors. But the truth is that there is not a very heavy need—not here and not at pih—for you to be given administrator tools this early in your WMF editing career. And you don't want to develop a reputation as a "hat collector".
Be back in touch in another couple of months, perhaps around the end of July, and we'll see where you are. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 09:38, 29 Mie 2018 (EST)
...and for what it's worth, I have promoted you from no way to not yet. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 09:39, 29 Mie 2018 (EST)
@StevenJ81: Because of my current block at enwiki, it sometimes (most of the times) push back my requests for rights. What do you think the outcome will be? Would is stop me from gaining this userright?
@Jay Jay Marcus Keize13: (First of all, you don't have to "ping" me on my page. Editing on my user page automatically pings me.)
The answer to your question is: "Possibly in the short term, less so in the long run." You need to gain experience. Your fairly light editing history so far doesn't help, and your block on enwiki doesn't help. That's another reason you need to wait a while. Remember, user rights are not about privileges, they're about service and responsibility. Communities don't want to give you responsibilities until you have a track record. If you establish a track record, you can eventually get rights in places, and perhaps even get the indef on enwiki lifted. But you need to establish a track record first. StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 08:55, 4 Juun 2018 (EST)

Blocked people[change up di source]

I think it is done, could you take a look please? --Chabi (talk)‎ 15:29, 27 Juun 2018 (EST)

You still have to clear the block on StevenJ81 (talk)‎ 18:08, 27 Juun 2018 (EST)

I wanted to invite you to join us for a series of meet-ups we are hosting this month (tomorrow, the 15th and the 22nd) in Kingston if you are in town, (I noticed you edited on jam.wiki) if not feel free to edit remotely with us. We focus on visual art and records of African diaspora, please check out our project here. Thanks!--Heathart (talk)‎ 22:42, 7 Disemba 2018 (EST)